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conference interpreting

Jan 10 2021
Corinne McKay

MCI semester one: done!

It feels like not that long ago that I wrote a blog post about my first month as a Master’s in conference interpreting student, and now we’re about to start our second semester. Definitely time for an update! If you missed the first installment, I’m currently a Year 2 student in the York University/Glendon College Master of Conference Interpreting Program, in the French language track.

Executive summary

If you’re interested in the 30-second version, I love the program and it’s going well, despite the all-online format this year. I am still working part-time, so it’s a lot to balance, but I actually feel like the shred of sanity I’ve held on to during the pandemic is because of the MCI program. Needing to take a shower, put on real clothes, and be somewhere at a specific time — even if “somewhere” is a Zoom room — are very helpful things during the pandemic. I’m really impressed with the quality of the Glendon program; both the instructors and the other students, and I’m really looking forward to semester two.

A day in the life…

In the French language group, this semester we had about 13 hours a week of live classes (the Glendon program really emphasizes the live aspect, which I like), plus our entire class year had an interpreting technology intensive in addition to our regular classes. I found this load manageable (most classes are two hours, and we had one day a week — Tuesdays — with no classes) and as the semester went on, I found a better balance between attending classes, doing my own practice sessions, and practicing with other people from the French group. I really try to attend every class (only missed one class, one time this semester!) and do at least one practice session a week with someone else in the French group, plus multiple practice sessions on my own.

I found that by putting in 10-12 hour days, things felt manageable. That sounds like a lot, but…there’s a pandemic on…so I also have a lot more time on my hands than I normally would. I typically get to my office around 7:45 AM because classes often start at 8, and I’ve gotten into a little routine of meditating for five minutes before the day starts. Another small but important sanity routine is that I love (like, really love) coffee and I hate chugging it quickly in the morning, so I take my coffee with me to my office. So pretty much five days a week, I first drink my coffee while looking out the very beautiful glass door in my office, then I meditate for five minutes, then I go straight through with classes and work until around 5 PM (taking a short break to run or do yoga at lunch), then I do maybe an hour or two more at home in the evening. It feels doable.

How is all of this working online?

Online school plus work can definitely get to be a lot of screen time. At one point, I was having major problems with eye strain, so I took a couple of weeks where I forced myself to do non-screen things (read a paper magazine or book, play music, exercise) in the evening. That helped a lot.

A big advantage of the York/Glendon program is that Year 1 of the MCI program (which I did not do, because I took the advanced entry exam to go directly into Year 2) has been online since the program’s inception almost ten years ago. It’s definitely an advantage to be in a program that has the online methods dialed in, even though this is their first time doing Year 2 online. It would definitely be great to be on campus: Glendon has an amazing interpreting lab, and I’d love to be working in person with the instructors and the other French students; but this isn’t a bad Plan B at all. As a bonus, we’re learning a lot about remote interpreting, which will undoubtedly be helpful in the future. Although I think we’re all hoping that in-person events come back sooner rather than later, I personally think that a) large-scale professional conferences requiring travel will probably be one of the last things to come back, because we’ve now seen that they can be transitioned online in at least some respects, and b) we’re likely to see more online meetings and conferences in general, even after the pandemic winds down. I would have loved to attend a full year of in-person classes, but I think that Glendon is making the most of the year, and I’m very glad I jumped in and took advantage of it.

What we actually do

I keep making this comparison, but getting better at interpreting is a lot like getting better at playing a musical instrument. There’s some theory, and there’s lots, and lots, and lots of practice. Practice on different types of subject matter: everything from colony collapse disorder to tension between France and Germany and how that affects the value of the euro. Practice on different types of speakers: people who talk fast, people who talk slowly, people with heavy accents, people with circuitous speaking styles. Practice with panel discussions and question and answer sessions. Just lots and lots of practice.

We also have the chance to interpret for lots of live events at York University, which is a ton of fun. Again, these could be anything: I’ve done two Town Hall meetings, one on the COVID situation and one on York’s new campus, I’ve done staff meetings, seminars for the Year 1 interpreting students, an information session for prospective students in the MCI program…lots of different stuff. The York staffers are always very appreciative of our work, and it’s a great opportunity to practice in a real-life situation.

When I practice on my own or with other people from the French group, we mostly use Speechpool, or the EU speech repository.

A few surprises

Someone asked me the other day whether anything about this program, or doing a Master’s in conference interpreting, has surprised me. Why yes, thanks for asking:

  • I never really believed that most of the magic behind interpreting is, sort of like the magic behind playing a musical instrument, just lots and lots of practice. It’s really more of a skill than a talent. People have more talent and less talent, but the first time Yo-Yo Ma picked up a cello, he didn’t sight read the Bach cello suites. The same is true of conference interpreting: no one is good at simultaneous interpreting without learning the techniques and practicing them for lots of hours. No one is good at taking notes on a long consecutive speech without learning the techniques and practicing them over and over again. But the beauty of this is that you definitely can become good at things that initially seem like magic powers. Case in point: back when I was still learning the very basics of interpreting to prepare for the Colorado French court interpreter exam, I overheard two very experienced conference interpreters talking about long consecutive interpreting. One said, “Once you’ve learned the techniques to do a 10-minute speech, you can easily do 20 minutes.” And the other replied, “Oh, definitely, no problem there.” And my reaction, as I struggled in the trenches of doing 30-second segments to prepare for the court interpreter exam, was something along the lines of “WHAAAAAAAAAAAT???” But guess what, now I actually agree completely. At the end of last semester, one of my classmates and I did a practice session with a 10-minute consecutive speech, and we agreed that it really wasn’t that bad. It wasn’t a super technical, or fast, or complex speech, but we took notes for 10 minutes and then interpreted it back, and it really went OK. That felt like progress. I’ve definitely gone from (literally) feeling my stomach churning when someone in a court hearing talks for more than a minute, to actually encouraging people to keep on talking so that I get more of the whole idea.
  • This is a little weird to say, but the acceptance of self-taught interpreters on the US market (where many, many interpreters have little to no formal training) used to not bother me at all. It still doesn’t actually bother me, because the reality is that we have huge interpreting needs but very few training programs, especially outside the most-spoken languages. But I do see now that trained interpreters really are much better at the job. That’s not earthshaking news, but I now see it with my own eyes, or rather hear it with my own ears. I’m not sure what the solution is, because there are so many issues: the US population speaks about 430 languages; many interpreters, especially at the community level, simply don’t earn enough money to make extensive training a viable option; many interpreting clients don’t see the value of a trained professional interpreter, etc. etc. But still this is worth noting: formal training makes a huge difference.

Our second semester starts today, and I’ll try to write another update as I progress further through the program.

Written by Corinne McKay · Categorized: Professional development · Tagged: conference interpreting, Glendon College, Master's in Conference Interpreting

Sep 14 2020
Corinne McKay

The Cambridge Conference Interpretation Course: a participant’s-eye view of the 2020 remote edition

The Cambridge Conference Interpretation Course, or CCIC, is legendary among conference interpreters. Held each year since 1984 in Cambridge, England, it brings together a group of motivated, experienced interpreters and expert instructors for two weeks in August. This year was—stop me if this is starting to sound familiar—a bit different. I think many people anticipated that the CCIC would be cancelled, because the online experience couldn’t possibly measure up to the location for which the CCIC is named. However, husband-and-wife organizers Julia Poger and Chris Guichot de Fortis proved that it would take more than a pandemic to keep them down. They moved CCIC fully online, which opened up the opportunity for non-Europe-based interpreters (like me!) to participate without having to travel to the UK for two weeks. I’ve written up some reflections on my experiences here, and if you have other specific questions about the CCIC, feel free to ask in the comments! I’m a native English speaker, so I participated in the CCIC as an English A, French B student.

What the CCIC is

As mentioned above, the CCIC is a legendary professional training course for conference interpreters who work between English and one or more than one other language: French, Spanish, German, Russian, and Italian. It’s normally held at the Hilton Cambridge City Centre, and features an impressive student-teacher ratio of no more than 2 ½ students per teacher. As the CCIC’s website says, “The Course is centred on teaching simultaneous interpretation from an array of general and technical speeches delivered by video, specialist guest speakers, and members of the teaching faculty.”

You have to apply to participate in the CCIC, and you need to be able to interpret at a professional level in order to apply. Although I don’t (yet!) do much conference interpreting work, about 80% of my court interpreting work is simultaneous interpreting into French for French-speaking defendants, so I was interested in participating in the CCIC to:

-improve the accuracy and fluency of my into-French interpreting
-improve the flow and intonation of my into-English interpreting
-get an honest assessment of whether I should pursue conference interpreting
-improve my simultaneous interpreting in general, because the bulk of my interpreting studying was highly targeted at passing the Colorado state court interpreter exam

 I applied to the CCIC and was accepted! I (correctly) anticipated that I would be one of the least experienced students in the group, so I blocked out about an hour a day of practice time for two months before the class started. Fortunately the CCIC even has an article on their website on how to prepare (http://www.cciconline.net/howtoprepare.php), including some very helpful mindset tips: get ready to be a small fish in a big pond, get ready to accept feedback without taking it personally, expect the course to be really, really hard. Start day was August 1, and I was excited to get going, especially since nearly everything I had looked forward to since March had been cancelled!

The logistics of this year’s edition

Prior to the CCIC start date, we received tons of detailed information about how the logistics would work. As a course organizer myself, I found the level of information really impressive. We were set up on Slack for messaging and discussions, Zoom for presentations and a few interpreting sessions, and the remote simultaneous interpreting (RSI) platform Voiceboxer for the bulk of the interpreting sessions. This sounds like a lot of platforms—and it is—but each served a different and crucial purpose, and I think it was an excellent decision on Julia and Chris’ part to use the remote edition as an opportunity to experience RSI, which I had zero experience with.

A day in the life

When I signed up for the CCIC, I knew that the schedule would mean an early start given my time zone. 6:00 AM, to be exact. I reasoned that if we were on site in Cambridge I’d be jet-lagged for the first week there and the first week home, so I just tried my best to go to bed early for the 5:00 AM wakeup call, and that mostly went fine.

Every day in the CCIC is packed. Over the course of the two weeks, we interpreted 27 speeches, plus various special events; we received group feedback and individual feedback (sometimes multiple times a day); we worked in language-specific groups; we had classes on special topics related to conference interpreting; we also had extracurricular events like films.  If that sounds a bit overwhelming, it is. We had over 80 instructional hours in two weeks; by comparison a typical university course involves 35-45 instructional hours per semester.

The CCIC instructors are amazing; they are all working interpreters, many of whom work in very high-level positions in international institutions in Europe. And—no pressure—they’re constantly dropping in and listening to you while you’re interpreting, so that they can give you detailed feedback later. The speeches we interpreted ran the gamut of topics: technical, non-technical, concrete, esoteric, fast speakers, slow speakers, etc.

For the actual interpreting, most of the time we worked in virtual booths in VoiceBoxer, and we were allowed to pick our own partners or sign up solo and let someone pick us. I really enjoyed that, because the instructors encouraged us to listen to our booth partners and give feedback, which I found very helpful. VoiceBoxer also has good capabilities to do relay interpreting. I had never served as a relay or interpreted from a relay, so that was a whole new experience.

Every CCIC day ran eight to nine hours; that sounds like a crazy amount of time to spend online, but I found it pretty doable. It was cognitively more demanding than a similar in-person event (keeping all of those Slack channels and Zoom links straight), but physically less demanding, because I was just going to my own office and staying there all day, as if I were working.

Absorbing all of that feedback

Interpreting is a bit like playing a musical instrument. You get better only by “performing” for people who are better than you, and having them give you honest feedback. Except…all of us know that honest feedback can be hard to take, especially when it’s about something as personal as interpreting. My advice to anyone wanting to get the most out of the CCIC or a similar course is:

  • Keep telling yourself what you know is true: You’re there to learn. And you learn from having your strengths and weaknesses pointed out in very specific ways, so that you can do more of what’s going right and less of what’s not going right. Expect it to be cringe-worthy at times. A couple of the instructors observed that I click my tongue against my teeth when I don’t know what to say. I know that I do this (because I hear it on recordings), and it was awkward to have it pointed out, but it helped me to develop a workaround (pressing my tongue against my bottom teeth when I’m not speaking, which also helps my pronunciation of the letter “r” in French, another perpetual problem!).
  • Just listen. You’ll reflexively want to defend yourself: you don’t usually make that mistake, the speaker was fast, the video was glitching, you were relaying off someone who was struggling, you were tired, you were hungry, whatever. Don’t say any of that. Take notes on what the instructors tell you and look for common threads in both a positive and negative way.
  • Have clear goals going into the course, and keep reminding yourself of  those goals so that you can measure your progress. “Getting better at interpreting” is amorphous and happens very incrementally. It’s much more helpful to ask yourself  things like, “In that last speech, was I focusing more on ideas instead of words?” “When I work into my B language, am I getting better at using shorter sentences and speaking clearly?” “When I know I can’t keep up, am I focusing on the key ideas?”

In sum

I loved (loved) my experience in the CCIC and would highly recommend it to anyone else who wants to improve their conference interpreting skills. I learned so much from the instructors and also from the other participants. As one of the least experienced people in the group, I also had the most to learn from everyone, and even when I felt discouraged, I really tried to keep telling myself that I was there to improve.

The CCIC is such an intense experience that you can expect to make measurable progress by the end. Expect some low moments; during one technical speech where I was interpreting into French, I gave the microphone back to my boothmate (who was French A), because I honestly just couldn’t do it. But I found that that type of thing was actually an advantage of the remote edition: instead of having a crash and burn moment and then having to go to dinner with everyone, I was able to chalk it up to the learning process and move on.

The CCIC organizers hope to return to the in-person model in 2021 and I’d actually be interested in attending again if that happens. However, I was incredibly impressed with the organization of this remote edition and would definitely encourage other people to participate in a future remote edition if that happens!

Written by Corinne McKay · Categorized: Uncategorized · Tagged: CCIC, conference interpreting, conference interpreting courses

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