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Interpreting

Oct 12 2020
Corinne McKay

First month as a Master’s in Conference Interpreting student

Life for me took a big turn in August; I’ve been contemplating going back to school for a Master’s in Conference Interpreting for at least five years, and I’ve looked at all of the AIIC-listed Master’s in conference interpreting (MCI) programs in the US, Canada, and Switzerland (because my husband is a citizen there). But it’s complicated: we’re not prepared to move to Europe right this red-hot second. There are only five AIIC-listed MCI programs in North America, and for my purposes only four (MIIS, U. Maryland, Ottawa, and Glendon/York), because the Wake Forest program doesn’t offer French.

August 2020: A major pivot

In August of this year, I participated in the two-week Cambridge Conference Interpretation Course (CCIC; held online this year), because I thought it would give me some insight into whether to forge ahead with my MCI goals. And just a few days into the CCIC, I found out that the Glendon College/York University MCI program–which typically holds the first year online and the second year in person in Toronto–would be entirely online this year, and that they were still taking applications to start in September. Additionally, and perhaps most importantly, the CCIC gave me the confidence to try the advanced entry exam, to be admitted directly into the second year of the program. I took it and passed, filled out all of the paperwork to formally apply to to the program, and was accepted just in time for orientation day at the beginning of September.

This was a major logistical whirlwind, but I felt that being able to do an MCI program in one year, mostly online (we will hopefully be in Toronto for part of second semester, but the details are up in the air due to COVID) was too good to pass up. Essentially I decided that if I ever want to do this, now is the time. The Glendon/York program has the advantage of being extremely affordable (about US $16,000 per year), mostly because Canadian public university tuition is very affordable by US standards, and additionally because the Canadian dollar is trading at about 75 US cents right now. So, in the space of less than a month, I went from not even seriously considering an MCI program to being enrolled.

The structure of the Glendon program

Glendon offers an MCI for students who have English paired with French, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Russian, German, Portuguese, and Turkish, but this year there aren’t any German, Portuguese, or Turkish classes. Year 1 of the program focuses on court, conference, and healthcare interpreting, and Year 2 exclusively on conference interpreting. In my Year 2 group, we have about 20 people, and French is the largest language group.

We have some non-language-specific classes all together, and then some language-specific classes, and each class meets once a week for either two or three hours. The two-hour classes run for the whole semester, and the three-hour classes are “intensives,” where normally the instructor would come to Glendon and teach a 36-hour class in one week, but this year it’s split into 12 three-hour sessions online. Right now I have six classes:

  • Two non-language-specific classes, one on general conference interpreting topics like speech prep, structural analysis, English note-taking, etc., and one on interpreting current events, where we take turns (in groups) making speeches in our A (native) languages that other students then interpret into their A or B languages for the whole class.
  • One French into English class, where we do both consecutive and simultaneous interpreting, either with the whole French group or in pairs in breakout rooms
  • Two English into French classes, one a semester-long class that’s pretty similar to the French into English class, and one an “intensive” class where we meet for three hours a week and work in depth on one speech, interpreting segments for the group and then giving each other feedback.

All of our classes meet on Zoom, and we have WhatsApp groups both for our whole year, and for our language-specific groups.

How it’s going so far

In a word: great! I love it. Of course, that’s with the caveat that remote school is remote school: definitely a different experience than being on campus (an experience I’m sharing with my college freshman daughter who is also remote!). It’s a lot of screen time, and I’m really hoping that we’ll be on campus for at least part of second semester. But Glendon has the advantage of having the online learning model pretty dialed in, as their first year has always been online.

Our professors are universally excellent, and the other students in the program are very diligent and motivated. The skills we learn are very practical, with a smattering of interpretation theory and history thrown in. All of our professors are also working conference interpreters, so they give us insights from the real world of interpreting, and we have the opportunity (starting up this week!) to interpret for a lot of in-house events at York University, which I think will be a very useful experience.

It goes without saying that the program is a lot of work, and it requires a lot of self-discipline, because most of the work outside class is self-directed, meaning that no one is standing over you telling you that you’d better do your memory exercises or your half-hour of shadowing or whatever. Sort of like what I’d imagine music school students have to do, a lot of the work of an MCI program is simply putting in the practice time, and knowing how to practice in a targeted way. I practice by myself a lot of the time (and record myself), but I make a point of practicing with other people from the program as well, preferably doing a “feedback trade” with someone who is French A, where they interpret into English and I give them feedback, then I interpret into French and they give me feedback.

The Glendon program has a pretty strong emphasis on consecutive interpreting, which is really helpful for me as I have very little formal training in consecutive. If you’re a complete beginner, I highly recommend the Interpretrain self-paced online course. It helped me a lot in preparing for the state court interpreter certification exam, but it’s geared toward utterances of a few sentences (which is enough for something like a court interpreting exam), whereas in the MCI program we’re expected to interpret speeches of around five minutes in consecutive. In just one month, my consecutive has really improved because we do so much of it, and I feel that it’s had a spill-over effect (in a positive way) on my simultaneous interpreting, because I’m more systematic and less frantic. At the start of the course, I had what might best be described as a “stenographic” style of note-taking, where I frantically tried to write down almost everything the speaker said, in abbreviated words. I’ve finally made a breakthrough and started taking fewer notes, using more symbols, and using my notes to cue my memory rather than trying to note down every single word.

Also, I’m not 22 years old (hardly! I’m 49!) and I feel like I fit in well in the Glendon program. Many of the people in the program are around my age, have a significant amount of work experience, and are continuing to work at least part-time during the program. My sense (although I may be wrong) is that this is probably pretty different from a European program where the bulk of the students would be in their 20s.

My advice for other prospective MCI students

Now that I’ve gotten a taste of the MCI life, I highly recommend it, if you find a program that works with your goals and any constraints you may have. Most of all, I think it will be interesting to see whether the big-name MCI programs continue to offer fully-online programs once the COVID pandemic has resolved. But if you’re considering an MCI program, I would consider:

  • Your budget and location. With only five MCI programs in North America, it’s a big commitment unless the fully-remote offerings continue. If you decide to go to law school, it’s likely that you can find a program you can commute to, unless you live in a really rural area. With an MCI program, not so much. And when I thought realistically about the financial commitment of moving to another state or country for two years, potentially taking out student loans, etc., plus the logistics (my husband has a salaried job here in Colorado, we own a house, my 18 year old lives nearby while doing remote school, my parents who are in their 70s moved here to be closer to us, etc.), I just wasn’t sure that it was realistic. Paying $15,000, divided into three payments of $5,000 throughout the year, felt a lot more manageable.
  • Your level of self-discipline. I think this is a huge factor, especially in a remote program. Getting better at interpreting is like getting better at playing a musical instrument: it happens incrementally, over a long period of time, through targeted practice. Knowing your strengths and weaknesses and how to practice is a huge part of it; being willing to give and accept feedback is a huge part of it; and just putting your rear end in the chair and putting in the time is a huge part of it. And you have to be realistic about whether you’re going to do that, or whether you’re going to just do your 15 hours of class a week and then forget about it.

I’ll post further updates about my experiences as the year goes on! For now, I’m really enjoying the program and learning a lot.

Written by Corinne McKay · Categorized: Interpreting · Tagged: Glendon College, Interpreting

Mar 15 2018
Corinne McKay

Resources for practicing French interpreting

As I mentioned on a recent Speaking of Translation podcast about goal-setting, one of my medium-term goals is to improve my French interpreting skills. Because…well…everyone needs one big, crazy dream, and this is mine. Back in the day (think 2002-2003ish), I did a small amount of interpreting work and really enjoyed it. However I let it drop because it wasn’t very compatible with working from home when my now-teenage daughter was little. Flash forward 13 years, and I’m working toward getting back into interpreting. Because I’m a goal-oriented person, I’ve set a goal of perhaps taking the State (State of Colorado, not Department of State) court interpreter exam in 2019 or 2020.

So…what does this kind of effort look like? Is there hope for a 46 year-old translator with once-solid but now-rusty spoken French and very minimal interpreting skills? The jury’s still out on that, but in the meantime I thought it might be helpful to share some of the resources I’m using, and resources that other people have suggested. And whether or not you are interested in interpreting, perhaps you can apply some of these tips to your own goals.

My first resource recommendation is a person: Athena Matilsky, a Federally-certified Spanish court interpreter and State-certified French court interpreter who currently lives in Quebec. This whole endeavor was sparked by my attending Athena’s presentation on memory development for consecutive interpreting at last year’s ATA conference. I had two realizations there: first, that I could actually (kinda-sorta) do some of the exercises, and second, that I needed to follow my own mantra: when is someday? If I’m thinking of working on my interpreting skills “someday,” when is that?

Armed with those two epiphanies, I started doing one-on-one coaching with Athena about once a month. We started out by talking about interpreting and about my goals, and now we actually practice interpreting during the sessions. It’s extremely helpful, and Athena also has great resources on her website, such as French-English audio glossaries (I am very bad at these, but I do them while I’m folding laundry or washing the dishes), Quizlet slide decks that you can use to test yourself, and links to various other specialized glossaries.

Athena also runs a Facebook group called French Interpreting Corner, which is a great forum to share resources.

If you’re studying for any flavor of court interpreting exam, your Bible is going to be Acebo, and their flagship product The Interpreter’s Edge. This takes you through the three modes of interpreting that you need to master (simultaneous, consecutive, and sight), and includes instructional material, memory development exercises, and interpreting exercises. If you’re lucky, Acebo will have a language-specific study set for your language. Otherwise, you’ll use the Generic edition and interpret into your other language. There is no Acebo set specifically for French, so I use the Generic edition and it’s still very helpful, it just involves a lot of dictionary searches for the many court-related terms that I don’t know.

Portuguese translator and interpreter Cris Silva sent me some very helpful resources:

    • News in Slow French, which is very helpful for beginning simultaneous work, when you keep wishing that the person would just talk at half-speed so that you could keep up!
    • This website of interpreter training resources for various languages

Tamara Muroiwa, a Spanish-English translator and interpreter in the UK, sent me a great resource for conference interpreting. It’s ORCIT: online resources for conference interpreter training, and is essentially a free, self-paced online course for beginning conference interpreters or those wanting to brush up their skills. The course includes video lectures and practice exercises. Additionally, the course itself is available in English, Czech, French, German, Greek, Lithuanian, Slovenian, and Spanish. If you work in one of those languages, it presents the opportunity to develop your interpreting skills and your language skills by doing the course in that language.

Finally, no mention of interpreter resources would be complete without Speechpool. Speechpool is a community-driven repository of speeches in various languages. Each speech has some helpful identifying information (i.e. the speaker’s native language or accent, the subject matter of the speech, a community rating of the speech’s difficulty, etc.). One nice thing about Speechpool is that it deliberately includes speeches recorded by non-native speakers; a situation that certainly occurs in an interpreter’s real life but not often in interpreter training materials.

Wherever you are on the interpreting journey, I highly recommend the podcast Troublesome Terps for some much-needed insight and levity. Hosted by conference interpreters Alexander Drechsel, Alexander Gansmeier and Jonathan Downie (yes, they know that they’re a “manel” in a female-dominated profession, and they have a sense of humor about that too..), the podcast covers topics from the thought-provoking (machine interpreting), to the absurd (interpreting President Trump), to the enlightening and humorous (dream and nightmare booth-mates). You can listen on their website or subscribe to them wherever you get your podcasts.

Readers, over to you: other thoughts on interpreting resources or big, crazy dreams?

Written by Corinne McKay · Categorized: Interpreting · Tagged: French interpreting, Interpreting, practicing interpreting

Mar 05 2014
Corinne McKay

Next Wednesday: Speaking of Interpreting

Next Wednesday, March 12 at 12 noon New York time, Eve Bodeux and I will host a free Speaking of Translation conference call, on the topic “Speaking of Interpreting.” We’re crossing the aisle to interview two of the most dynamic interpreters in the business today: InterpretAmerica Co-Presidents Katharine Allen and Barry Slaughter Olsen. Katharine and Barry will give us their insights on the current status of the interpreting profession, what’s coming on the horizon (new developments in remote interpreting, where will we find interpreters for minority languages?), and their tips for new interpreters wanting to break into the industry. Don’t miss it! The live call is limited to 100 callers, but we’ll post a recording afterward.

Here’s the live call access information.

In addition, I had a burst of energy this morning and reorganized the Speaking of Translation recordings, so that each one has its own page. You can listen and learn about the following topics in our archive:
Finding direct clients through industry conferences
The freelance juggling act: balancing work, family and the rest of life
Insider tips for a successful freelance business
International payments: an overview, with Eve Bodeux
Jost Zetzsche solves your translation technology problems
How to take a freelance sabbatical abroad, Part I and Part II

Written by Corinne McKay · Categorized: Interpreting, Professional development · Tagged: Barry Slaughter Olsen, Interpreting, Katharine Allen, Speaking of Translation

Dec 17 2009
Corinne McKay

YouTube clip: Peter Less on interpreting at Nuremburg

Here’s an interesting YouTube clip (it’s short, just over a minute) of interpreting legend Peter Less talking about remaining impartial while interpreting at the Nuremberg Trials. Less, who won the ATA’s Gode Medal (one of the translation world’s highest honors) in 2006, fled to Switzerland as a teenager but his mother, father, sister and grandmother remained behind and died in the Holocaust.

Less went on to become one of the first trained conference interpreters in Europe and subsequently found himself interpreting for some of the people responsible for the Nazi regime’s worst atrocities. He then emigrated to the U.S. and practiced law in Chicago for over 50 years. There’s a full interview between Tanya Gesse and Peter Less here, on the website of the International Association of Conference Interpreters.

Written by Corinne McKay · Categorized: Interpreting, Interviews · Tagged: Interpreting, Nuremberg, Peter Less, YouTube

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